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Tuesday 23 November Participants

Nicole
Bernard
Sumana
Ernest
Georgia

Agenda

status & blockers
- Pradyun: can join tomorrow’s meeting in its entirety
  - only 1 blocker, #9011. Not been able to wrap his head around why resolvelib is misbehaving. Stuck. Need to tag and work with TP.
  - also, would be nice to have if we could do it in time: Mac OS Big Sur changed things, including how Mac OS tags work. That then requires an update in packaging{.backtick} + pip. But it’s ok to go without.
    - this will go in 20.3.1
- Bernard: spoke with Sumana about expectations for UX training. Now: continuing with pip research analysis, reports.
  - would like the mental model review (spreadsheet). Would be really helpful if some people looked at it.
  - TODO: Pradyun will look today
  - wants to get training stuff ready, ideally to do work in December.
  - TODO: Bernard need to pick up again the interviews with people who run package managers
  - TODO: Sumana to nudge people
- Nicole: interviews re doc: done 3-4, have more scheduled this week. Starting to get a picture on what we should do to improve pip’s docs. Will be ale to make strong recommendations based on that!
  - continuing to summarise research finds we have
  - no blockers right now
- Q from Pradyun: has nicole seen the Matomo PR/discussion? https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/8517#issuecomment-730373194
  - ? what is blocking it being merged?
    - consensus
    - is there a policy on PyPA/PSF stuff?
    - Ernest: no. We use Google Analytics… respects Do Not Track cookie. If we need a policy, we should contact Legal and start that process
    - Georgia: we don’t want to do something out of line with what PSF is doing
    - Ernest: comes down to where data is stored. per GDPR, we do not store really anything on any PSF property that is not critical to behavior of service. [This means a lot of GDPR does not apply] Here, user behavior, need to be more careful, since not critical to behavior of pip.
    - Google Analytics - storing user behavior [more detailed question about storage]
    - Ernest: for purposes of docs, we have used GA for other similar site properties
    - Pradyun: would be using the hosted version of matomo.org
    - Georgia: wondering whether to align with, well, PSF is the org here, so, use the analytics
    - Ernest: we’ve had minimal pushback on python.org and pypa.org having GA
    - Ernest: hosted/free service would be rad
      - by precedent, GA would not be a problem at all. a free service that is an alternative that PyPA wants to use, that is fine as a reasonable alternative
    - TODO: Sumana to take a fresh look after call at Matomo discussion
    - Bernard wanted to ask: what questions are we trying to answer by adding analytics to docs? to minimise extra data being unnecessarily gathered.
      - Georgia: what sections of docs are being used.
      - Georgia: it would be a PSF conversation to possibly move over to Matomo from Google Analytics
      - it can be hard if different sub orgs do different things
discussion of 20.3 release - deferred till tomorrow
discussion of prepping for UX training - deferred till tomorrow